Is Alias Portable to ICEM Surf / NX or Catia?

Hello Gustavo,

I am Kevin de Smet. I have been forwarded your question by Graham and thought I’d give you a few pointers.

Q) The Class A workflow you apply is somehow portable to ICEM Surf, NX or CATIA? I mean, the same techniques can be used?”
First of all, as a mechanical designer you must be aware surfacing is black magic! oh wait, no, that’s the myth 😉
I am familiar with CATIA from my current job doing electrical harnessing and I have dabbled in CATIA Icem kind of just reading the manual and such.
CATIA Icem actually did for ICEM kind of what Alias always has been. CATIA Icem also has features that are associative (i.e. a 10mm fillet surface is intelligent enough to know it always needs to stay 10mm and be continuous with its parent surfaces)
I’m not sure about NX but I would reckon it’s about the same thing. Except they don’t have the brand recognition of Icem but instead run on what used to be ImageWare back in the day, now long gone and forgotten.
Vanilla ICEM Surf is a little different to Alias primarily because it’s less intelligent, less parametric if you will. But the fundamentals of direct modeling as also done in Alias should transfer over quite readily.
You are correct not to mention for example SolidWorks or Inventor or even Creo (former Pro/ENGINEER) because those software approach surface modeling in a different way. Even standard CATIA like Generative Shape Design is much different to CATIA Icem / Alias / Icem Surf.
I’m sure NX has both also, standard surfacing functions and then NX Shape Studio for the more kind of Class A direct modeling push-and-pull control points approach.
I must add both have their value, and place. It would be wrong to say one is better for everything, and the other is crap.
But for the whole Class A exterior automotive thing, direct modeling in Alias or Icem really are the best tools.

Good luck with your Alias

Kevin de Smet (elite student at LearningAlias ).

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To Learn Alias Automotive to Industry Entry level has been made easier.

For student’s who have the objective of finding a CAD job in the near future, I still teach One to One students and all of these students get Automotive Modeling or Design/Modeling jobs, so it’s a great investment to make. The hourly rate is very high and there are vacancies in UK. France, Germany, Sweden, Spain, USA, Brazil etc. I can only take a maximum of 5-7 students at any one time. I teach all levels right up to Post Graduates. I have never had a Private student fail to get an Alias Automotive job (Companies include Ferrari, GM, Lotus, Opel, Audi Seat etc. ). If you wish to apply for a place, please email me with all your details.
Why not visit my website and take a look for your self?
Over 100 videos on many, many aspects of Learning Pro. Alias
I show you how to build a Complete Audi A5 Sportback (ext.) . Over 50 Videos on that alone !

Info. on Courses:

“Course #1”.

6 Months website access to all website based video tutorials, 167 Euros (215 USD equivalent Sept. 2012)

“Course #2”.

167 Euros (215 USD equivalent Sept. 2012) per month. You get your .wire reviewed by me every 15 days and you will receive : feedback, instruction, tips and advice from me personally. Access to all videos including my ” Private Student Training Videos”. You will build at least 3 complete automotive exteriors. The course also includes an intensive Reverse Engineering section, which required by most employers.

“#3 Full Pro. “Elite” Course”.

Fast Track Full Pro. “One to One” Course with weekly reviews and coaching 200-250 Euros (USD. 260-320 approx. Sept. 2012) per month. One to One Private tuition. You will receive specific geometry and meshes and modeling from me personally where required, to help you to complete your exteriors quickly to an Industry entry level standard. This means a bigger investment, but once in an Alias modeling job you will get back what you invested many times over and be able to work anywhere in the world

NB: Typically students pay 50% of the cost of the “Elite” course by monthly installments settling the balance over time,  once they have an Alias Automotive contract.

For more info,

Just register on my website and I’ll send you all the details
www.learningalias.co.uk

*** Special 25% Discounts for US students (Message me on my website for details)

USA:

If you are in the USA, just register and login, then go to Profile and you can pay your subscription with your US credit card. Absolutely no extra charges for currency conversion.

Regards

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How to Build a C-Pillar – Alias

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Audi A5 Sportback C Pillar

 This is the area which causes most problems to students

and if I’m honest, it took me personally quite some time to understand and eventually be able to model a complex fully blended C Pillar, like the one pictured here.

The point of this post is to give you a basic understanding of this problem

and the level of skills that you must acquire to reach a point where you are competent to take on this surfacing challenge in Alias. It takes several months of following a specialised Alias Automotive course to reach this level.

“C” is the surface that we must end up with and it must be curvature continuous

with all the surrounding surfaces. Numbered from 1 through 5. I should point out here that srf. #1 for modelling the C pillar would not be the offset srf. shown here, but the theoretical srf. from which it has been offset by 18mm. so srfs. C and #1 would be on the same level (crvtr. cont.)

The preparation for building srf. C involves building srfs. 1-5, which have to be absolutely 100% correct for srf. C to work.

In Industry the Alias modeller would receive a data transmittal from the clay model,

usually in the form of scan data, so the clay modellers, would have resolved the way that all these srfs. flow together. Then the Alias modeller would be required to build very accurate srfs. from the given data improving the highlight to the designer’s satisfaction. If you have to build a complex C pillar from say blueprints, then it becomes a far more difficult task, as there just isn’t enough information on BP’s. to enable you to know the critical xsecs for the srfs. numbered from 1-5. Therefore building it would be a very slow process involving lots of trial and error. If you are lucky enough to have the designer sitting with you it would be tough, but if you were doing it without any support or data it would be a nightmare.

Building a C pillar from scan data:

The preparation would be to build the shoulder #2 and then the Deck #3 and #4 (the Deck has a base srf#3. + a blend #4 to the theoretical rear screen). These srfs. must have G2 crvtr. and the highlights must be perfect, as they form the base srfs. that srf. “C”  is blended to.

Next: The Cant Rail is brought down below the Deck. It is built to the theoretcal Rear Screen and not to the actual rear screen shown in the pic. The Cant Rail must blend to the Deck with G2.

Finally surface “C” is built from the theoretical Side Glass and the Cant Rail and then blended with the Shoulder and Deck surfaces.

I hope that you have found this insightful.

For students who wish to achieve this skill level

My advice would be definitely to take lessons with an Alias trainer, as you need a lot of help, support, advice as well as access to specimen surfaces and meshes to reach this level and complete this area to a pro. level. Alias Automotive Modelling is a very interesting and well paid profession and in my humble opinion, it is definitely worth investing in a short course now, so that you can go on to reap the benefits throughout a long and interesting career in the future.

Good luck with your Alias

Graham bullock B.Ed. CNAA. Des. Tech.

To Learn Alias Automotive to Industry Entry level has been made easier.

For student’s who have the objective of finding a CAD job in the near future, I still teach One to One students and all of these students get Automotive Modeling or Design/Modeling jobs, so it’s a great investment to make. The hourly rate is very high and there are vacancies in UK. France, Germany, Sweden, Spain, USA, Brazil etc. I can only take a maximum of 5-7 students at any one time. I teach all levels right up to Post Graduates. I have never had a Private student fail to get an Alias Automotive job (Companies include Ferrari, GM, Lotus, Opel, Audi Seat etc. ). If you wish to apply for a place, please email me with all your details.
Why not visit my website and take a look for your self?
Over 100 videos on many, many aspects of Learning Pro. Alias
I show you how to build a Complete Audi A5 Sportback (ext.) . Over 50 Videos on that alone !

Info. on Courses:

“Course #1”.

6 Months website access to all website based video tutorials, 167 Euros (215 USD equivalent Sept. 2012)

“Course #2”.

167 Euros (215 USD equivalent Sept. 2012) per month. You get your .wire reviewed by me every 15 days and you will receive : feedback, instruction, tips and advice from me personally. Access to all videos including my ” Private Student Training Videos”. You will build at least 3 complete automotive exteriors. The course also includes an intensive Reverse Engineering section, which required by most employers.

“#3 Full Pro. “Elite” Course”.

Fast Track Full Pro. “One to One” Course with weekly reviews and coaching 200-250 Euros (USD. 260-320 approx. Sept. 2012) per month. One to One Private tuition. You will receive specific geometry and meshes and modeling from me personally where required, to help you to complete your exteriors quickly to an Industry entry level standard. This means a bigger investment, but once in an Alias modeling job you will get back what you invested many times over and be able to work anywhere in the world

NB: Typically students pay 50% of the cost of the “Elite” course by monthly installments settling the balance over time,  once they have an Alias Automotive contract.

For more info,

Just register on my website and I’ll send you all the details
www.learningalias.co.uk

*** Special 25% Discounts for US students (Message me on my website for details)

USA:

If you are in the USA, just register and login, then go to Profile and you can pay your subscription with your US credit card. Absolutely no extra charges for currency conversion.

Regards

Graham Bullock B.Ed.(CNAA)Des.Tech.

Go to Learning Alias


Alias Automotive Entry Level Jobs

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Here’s just one example of the many emails I receive from Post Grads. who cannont find Entry level Alias Modelling, Des./Modelling jobs:

“Dear Sir, I have recently graduated in Transport Design and I am very happy with the course that I chose to follow, with one exception. The Alias teacher on my course was a great guy, but whereas he was brilliant at 3D Max, he didn’t seem to have been trained in Alias and as a result we didn’t learn much more than the basics. I am an average designer, so my chosen career path is Automotive Alias Modelling or if I’m lucky Des/Modelling.

Various major OEM’s have head-hunted the 3 or 4 outstanding students from my year, all of whom have parents who paid for expensive Alias courses for them. The remainder of us had to rely on the limited amount of Alias taught within our course and in adition to this, we had very few Alias hours per week on a workstation.

I have had a few interviews for Automotive Alias jobs, but so far have had zero success. In all my interviews I have been asked:

  • Which exteriors I have built to Class A principals (ie. showing an understanding of Bezier surface modelling)
  • How much Reverse Engineering do I know
  • And in several interviews I was given a mesh and asked to surface part of it to a tol of <1.00mm.”

Like most of my student group, I know very little about Nurbs from Mesh and I am very slow at it, so those Interviews were Absolute Hell!

Can you please tell me how I can get a job, when the level of Alias I have been taught is way below Industry Entry level requirement.

Yours sincerely

Vijay Desai

Before I answer your question, I feel it only fair to commend the college lectures worldwide who work very hard for their salary and do a great job. The reason that there are so few lectures who have Industrial competence in Alias Automotive, is a matter of simple economics. An Alias modeller earns 50€ per hour/60USD. whereas a highly skilled college lecturer earns just 15-18€/18-20 USD, so it is unreasonable to expect a lecturer, who must have knowledge and skills across a wide range of platforms, to have Industrial level Alias skills. If you want to become an Alias specialist, you must do the hard miles in your own time. To all college lecturers out there. RESPECT!

Hi Vijay,

First of all there is no need to panic about your lack of Alias skills!

Whilst it is true to say that with your current skill level nobody is likely to offer you a job in this economic climate. However to raise yhour Alias skill level, is an achievable task.

I deal with a lot of  Post Grads. who are in your position.  Some are talented Designers and other want to become Alias Modellers.

I offer a very comprehensive Alias Automotive course, which includes a high level of Reverse Engineering (you get to surface and entire exterior using Nurbs from Mesh ).

As regards modelling to Class A Principals , on the this course you get to build 2 more exteriors, one of which is the Audi A5 Sportback 2009/ 2012 face-lift.

All students who have completed my course find Alias jobs, without exception.

Interviews panels are always impressed by students who have 3 complete exteriors modelled with Bezier surfaces to show and who can surface a mesh quickly and acurately. It is quite normal nowadays for an interviewee to be thrown a mesh of say the front corner of a car or a complete but relatively simple exterior and given 5 to eight hours to surface it. All graduates from LearningAlias are equipped with these skills and feel comfortable performing, such interview tasks.

I have trained Trans/Des. post grads. who were working in Gfx. studios or worse still, in shops and trained them to entry level, reulting in successfull employment in the Automotive Industry.

As many students cannot afford even 167€ /200USD. per month , I allow them to pay 100€ / 120 USD. and then pay the outstanding balance once they have an Alias job.

Timing: Post Grads. need between 3-9 months to complete the LearningAlias course and have all the skills that Industry is demanding.

kind regards
Graham bullock B.Ed. CNAA. Des. Tech.

 

To Learn Alias Automotive to Industry Entry level has been made easier.

For student’s who have the objective of finding a CAD job in the near future, I still teach One to One students and all of these students get Automotive Modeling or Design/Modeling jobs, so it’s a great investment to make. The hourly rate is very high and there are vacancies in UK. France, Germany, Sweden, Spain, USA, Brazil etc. I can only take a maximum of 5-7 students at any one time. I teach all levels right up to Post Graduates. I have never had a Private student fail to get an Alias Automotive job (Companies include Ferrari, GM, Lotus, Opel, Audi Seat etc. ). If you wish to apply for a place, please email me with all your details.
Why not visit my website and take a look for your self?
Over 100 videos on many, many aspects of Learning Pro. Alias
I show you how to build a Complete Audi A5 Sportback (ext.) . Over 50 Videos on that alone !

Info. on Courses:

“Course #1”.

6 Months website access to all website based video tutorials, 167 Euros (215 USD equivalent Sept. 2012)

“Course #2”.

167 Euros (215 USD equivalent Sept. 2012) per month. You get your .wire reviewed by me every 15 days and you will receive : feedback, instruction, tips and advice from me personally. Access to all videos including my ” Private Student Training Videos”. You will build at least 3 complete automotive exteriors. The course also includes an intensive Reverse Engineering section, which required by most employers.

“#3 Full Pro. “Elite” Course”.

Fast Track Full Pro. “One to One” Course with weekly reviews and coaching 200-250 Euros (USD. 260-320 approx. Sept. 2012) per month. One to One Private tuition. You will receive specific geometry and meshes and modeling from me personally where required, to help you to complete your exteriors quickly to an Industry entry level standard. This means a bigger investment, but once in an Alias modeling job you will get back what you invested many times over and be able to work anywhere in the world

NB: Typically students pay 50% of the cost of the “Elite” course by monthly installments settling the balance over time,  once they have an Alias Automotive contract.

For more info,

Just register on my website and I’ll send you all the details
www.learningalias.co.uk

*** Special 25% Discounts for US students (Message me on my website for details)

USA:

If you are in the USA, just register and login, then go to Profile and you can pay your subscription with your US credit card. Absolutely no extra charges for currency conversion.

Regards

Graham Bullock B.Ed.(CNAA)Des.Tech.

Go to Learning Alias


Modelling Cross-Sections Which Are Not On the Blueprints/Sletches

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“How do I arrive at an x-sec, which is not given on the blueprints?”

The answer is quite simply that you cannot define an x-sec, which is not given by the blueprints. But don’t worry if you are my student I will provide the x-sec from my own model.

“But if I were working in a Design studio, what would I do?”

Simple. Go and get the designer and get him/her to draw the required x-sec. A good efficient designer will usually find time amongst his myriad of work commitments to visit the Alias modeller once or twice a day and during these sessions he will help you to define areas of the model that are vague and at the same time develop his or her design by requesting changes to improve the model. This close team work, between a skilled Alias Digital Sculptor and a very good Designer, is the most efficient way to develop the design into a 3D model, which can eventually be milled at any scale into a physical model. The physical model can be further developed and then presented to senior management. At this point there may be say 3 teams competing against each other, so this means 3 models made in say Munich, Torino and CA. being presented in a presentation show room with turn tables, at the same time.

Pick n’ Mixing of Design features

It’s quite common that the Chief Designer will take features which he likes from one model and instruct another designer to incorporate them in his model.

Does a Designer need to be a competent Alias Modeller?

I would say yes! In today’s tight economic environment, models have to be developed more quickly than was the case a decade ago and if the designer understands Alias surfacing then he can understand the problems faced by the modeller and give intelligent advice on how an area of the vehicle could be re-modelled in the shortest possible time.

One of my Elite student group is now at Audi Design Munich

David Torres is now working in the way I have described above. He has a very close relationship with his designer and is asked several times a week to make changes to his model. If you can work like this in a tight team with your designer, the project will evolve quickly, which the company will appreciate, as time is a LOT of money. Your way of working and the support /service you give the designer will definitely NOT go un-noticed, your work ethic will be commended and you will be given the best projects to work on, as well as being on the short list of most wanted modellers that the modelling Manager will refer to when hiring for future projects. In short you will always have work and the work you are given will be cutting edge!
Enjoy you Alias

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Here are just 2 examples of the courses I run,
which will take you up to Industry enrty level. I only have time to mentor a handful of students, so please if you are interseted in applying send me your CV and your latest .wire if you have previous Alias experience. If you have no Alias experience, but are experienced on other 3D platforms, I will still consider your application seriously. The main thing I am looking for is real passion and committment to make it in the Alias Automotive Industry

“Course #1”. 6 Months website access to all video tutorials
167 Euros (228 USD equivalent) for 6 months website access. This is the most economical way to access my unique Alias Automotive videos, where you will learn how to build the Audi A5 Sportback. You will also gain access to the many videos on Alias Pro. technique.

“Course #2A” Private Tuition Package

(Your work will be reviewed every 15 days and you will receive : feedback, instruction, tips and advice from me personally, modeling demonstrations from me on your .wire and I will supply Meshes to help you with difficult areas of your model. )
167 Euros (228 USD equivalent) per month. You will learn how to build 2 complete vehicle exteriors: Audi A5 Sportback and the Virrage Concept Car (Overbuild modeling method) . You will also get access to my “Expert Private Student” videos, which are released to your personal email from YouTube,

Kind regards and enjoy your Alias

Graham bullock B.Ed. CNAA. Des. Tech.